Michael: I identify as a very secular agnostic type of person. Rick also, although he's very grounded in the brain, Captain neuroscience, etc,. there is a big part of my dad's heart that is very into the out there and very into the like plausibly non-secular world. There's there's a part of him that just like loves that whole part of everything. And you know, year after year after year, I had kind of gone more and more into just one color of that rainbow.

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