I think one of the things that's interesting about art as a spiritual practice is that we so easily get hung up on the thing that is being made versus the process of making. We're constantly encouraged that if it's either a not really good or not sellable, that it's not worth doing. I have seen conversion after conversion happening with people taking clay as meditation or dance as meditation or painting. So again, we have to step out of the capitalist version of art and recover art as aspiritual experience.

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