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the last thing I wanted to hit on is just in terms of day-to practice, I guess people listening to this thing, you know, this sounds, this sounds, it sounds like I could, I could use some Buddhism. What is that? What does your practice look like? Or what are things that you recommend people doing to do if they want to get started in this?

Yeah, that's a good question. I feel like one thing that I always mention when I'm talking about Buddhism, concepts from Buddhism or ideas from Buddhism, so I always start my podcast with the sentiment or the thought that you don't need to use what you learn from Buddhism to be a Buddhist. You can use it to be a better whatever you already are. And coupled with that, I very much have this view that concepts like this, they're like tools. And you could take these tools, put them in your toolkit, and it doesn't mean that it's going to be the right tool for you. But if you have a whole bunch of different tools, the right one for whatever circumstances you're in, you might have it. So with that, I would say one of the tools that has been a very effective one for me in my daily practice is just mindfulness meditation. And I think the biggest misconception with meditation is probably at least Buddhist meditation is that it's something that you do to feel good. And that's not what it is. It's something that you do to be good at noticing. Going back to what I said before, where there's the experience, there's your awareness of the experience. This is the tool to help you be more aware of the experience. And it's not about feeling good. It's about being good at noticing. And then what happens when you notice? Well, all kinds of things, but insight arises from awareness. So I would say that's my go-to practice. If someone were to say, what is your Buddhist practice? I'd say the biggest one is spending time trying to notice, notice what I'm not noticing. And it doesn't mean sitting there with your eyes closed for an hour. No, I think there's so many other ways of doing it. A very simple way is paying attention to your breath and noticing, what do I feel? Do I detect a slight temperature difference when I'm inhaling versus exhaling at the tip of my nose or just paying attention? That's really what you're doing is practicing paying attention. You just happen to be putting your attention on something like the breath. one that's very easy to do is when you're driving and you get stuck at the red light, pay attention and look around and be like, what have I never noticed about this particular place? Because most of us have our, it's not like we're always somewhere new. It's usually your drive home to work. It's a routine you're used to, but you'll never ever fully know it. You could always stop and be like, what have I never noticed about this place or about the traffic light itself? I didn't notice one of the little LEDs is out or the metal shield for the blocks. The sun has a slight bend to it. I wonder if a bird hit it or the top of a truck. Just the art of getting better at noticing things, that to me is a very useful skill. And where that's come into play in real life is by practicing that continually, I have noticed moments that I cherish now that I don't know if I would have noticed them had I not been actively practicing how to notice. An example would be my daughter was sick and she had been throwing up and I went out and lay down on the couch with her. And then sometime in the night as she was sleeping, she threw up again. And it was all over her. It was on me and I was cleaning it up. And that was a moment where I noticed in the middle of, this is unpleasant and this doesn't smell good. And this is all the things I don't want right now. I also noticed one day I'll look back and this will be a memory. Like this will be like, I'll remember that time. And I was so happy in that moment to realize I'm not going to, I didn't miss it. Like I'm noticing it right now that this is a moment that I will look back to in my future. And instead of only regretting that I'm experiencing it right now, I was still regretting that I was experiencing it, but also happy that I was experiencing it. And I loved it. I thought that's what I want my life to be. It's like still acknowledge that dealing with throw up isn't fun, but also is it really the worst thing ever? No, it's not. And I was so glad that I noticed that. And that's when that's the day I realized that's why I want to keep practicing this because that's always happening. And I want to make the most of every moment I have. So that's why I practice that. I

love that.