Jon was c i o, which is funny, a c i o. Mark stepped into the chairman roll and took over as the ceo at the end of 16. I think recisely, they were intimidated that you were so smart and going about, you know, their world. They were used to a little bit more coddled feelings than maybe the engineering culture. There's just major differences in culture between marketingust us engineering.

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