Building a Secure Brand After the 2008 Recession

"I never, you knew there was never a drop of intensity or urgency for me to grow our brand and build a secure brand," he says. "When I sold my company we were a debt-free. I've never had a dollar a debt. I never took a dollar in debt bros because no one had given me any money." He adds that his companies are worth 10 times more than those with the same top line.