"If there are ways of describing the world, even if they're just approximate at some higher level of abstraction, they should still count as real," he says. "So i'm happy with e kind of middle level description of objects ... They're jumping around, you know, or they're shifting, or they’re a wave pattern." He continues: "I think that's fine. Well, except, except that,you know, now you're, i can't let it go, because you're bumping right up against my research in quanta mechanics".

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