When you hit the kind of vulnerable flowing spots of being honest and looking inside and looking out at the same time, then people resonate with that. As soon as somebody does that, they give permission to everybody else. And I think the other aspect is that you're what he was describing there was looking inwards at how colonized we are and how oppressed we are by colonization. So this is what we're going to do. It's not about big mega plans for industrial this or global that or whatever. It's just what's your next step? What's the next wise step that you need to take? That's so that all those three moves are ones that kind of break the boundaries

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