Ken Stanley and Jolene. worked on some of this. They have a book called Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned. And their whole idea is like when you are searching in some massive high dimensional space, then it becomes very hard to say, okay, here is a specific thing we want rather than just optimize on interestingness or novelty or creativity. So yeah, I think it goes very well with two thinking of how do you optimize for interestingness? Do either of you think that computers or software can be creative? What does that mean for you?