Shinali: Goldman has always been kind of like this shining light. Is there something different about this Goldman? Or is it just a case of the financial community in general, the big banks? Shinali: Well, I think the problem is that Goldman has changed. It hasn't. And so when you look at Goldman, I mean, they're more Goldman than ever in that. Their trading deaths are blowing through the roof. They've gained a ton of market share.

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