The Importance of Public Talk Talking to Each Other

i noticed a few times rorty invoke this kind of public talk and like talking to each other right which also reminded me of stuff that Taylor i remember reading and being like oh pils is gonna hate this stuff about more another philosopher saying we need to talk to each other but i think what he means is that you can only come to realize humiliations cruelties in the world through discourse. So so it seems like he wants to make some space for like the importance of discourse uh in in the world right? I felt called out here when just now no no no in in reading what you described we read the same thing obviously but i felt like okay why am i an ironist as