The word model has probably featured up there more than almost any other when considering what we should do and what might happen in the pandemic. I think that, i think some people have suggested, they could possibly have played far too big a role. The stuff that comes out of spim is is great. It shows therea sort of range of possibilities and some sort of central values. But they've got things wrong. In fact, you know, we don't know what's going to happen. We do know it's going to get really bad and er, and something be done.

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