There was an enormous shame campaign against these tuna suppliers for them killing dolphins in their practices. But ultimately, they said, well, you know, now consumers who feel guilty can just buy tuna that where we don't kill dolphins And I was nine years old and I... Dolphin saved Yeah, dolphins saved tuna, exactly "I have gotten a little bit softer on that front because of the sheer difficulty The sheer difficulty of trying to pass regulations in 150 countries It is an incredibly difficult task"

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