Testing LLMs on Wikipedia Leads

In this conversation, Larry Sanger explains how Wikipedia's governance structure allowed anonymous editors, activist groups, PR firms, and institutional power to capture what became the world's default source of truth.

This isn't a culture-war rant. It's a structural explanation of how neutrality failed and why reform may no longer be possible.

We discuss: – How Wikipedia was originally designed – Why expert review was rejected – Anonymous power and editor oligarchies – Activism, PR firms & source blacklists – Israel, Trump & political bias – Why "consensus" became enforcement – Whether AI will replace Wikipedia – Why Sanger believes Wikipedia may be finished

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TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 – Introduction 01:52 – How Wikipedia was originally built 09:13 – Wikipedia as a de facto truth engine 12:42 – Anonymous power inside Wikipedia 14:56 – Editors, bans and arbitrary authority 20:24 – Israel, Trump & political bias 27:29 – Activism, PR firms and capture 32:11 – Can neutrality even exist? 37:02 – Can AI be more neutral than humans? 41:03 – Testing Wikipedia with AI 49:03 – Is Wikipedia cooked? 58:56 – Why "consensus" became enforcement 01:05:30 – Source blacklists explained 01:15:12 – What Wikipedia has become 01:33:37 – Will AI replace Wikipedia? 01:40:24 – Would Sanger turn it off? 01:44:01 – Final warning

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