I don't use a discounted cash flow model for insurance company because they have usually so many transactions going on and also on the balance sheet. So with an insurance company, I look at EPS and I look at solvency ratios. And that's what you want to look at from a depth point of view. Marika's asked us a question. Actually, this is the total time he's asked. We had already started the show and had not had these questions in the show notes. But we are definitely going to get to tonight.

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