I think it ties back into what you said about the old future being gone. People who are barricaded in institutions and dislocated from land, dislocated from communities, they are perpetuating that old future because they're not living with the reality of their decisions. Whereas it is what we are seeing in local communities are finding ways to innovate either socially, physically, whatever,. To deal with and mitigate the problems being caused by centralized governments typically. So I completely agree with you. But still 8 billion to 2 billion in a short timeframe as well because the planet is on the path to breaking point.

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