I think a lot of people who are stuck at the bottom of the labor market today, one, these are people who are kind of are truthful anthropists. We don't really give people in our current society the tools to really be full participants in our society. If you don't have access to decent health care throughout your life, you might be already preordained to an early grave by the time that something kicks in. There's still something, I think, innately human and innately striving that a lots of people have,. But we're in a society that doesn't give people a lot of tools.

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