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Episode 54: Cathy Heller

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Meditation

"I thought I was going to have a panic attack. Like I was having a heart attack," she says of her first experience with meditation. "Why is it then like crossing an ocean to sit with ourselves? And how can we feel good being, just being?" Listeners will be able to explore the process and find out what they learned in this interview.

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