So they could there even can be the breaking of physical laws like that, like climbing up a wall or, or levitating. That kind of thing can

happen. And because the devil can play on a person's memory and imagination, you know, the question would be, is it really happening or is that what I believe is happening? Oh, because the devil is manipulating my imagination.

Yeah, I would be asking that as I was running down the street. I'm very impressed that you stay in the room. Say again.

One of the exorcisms in Rome, a person levitated. And as a the demon started to levitate and it's just crazy hysterical laughter in the eyes are rolled in the back of the head. And I'm looking at that, but then I was more interested in what the priest who was training me did. He wasn't even fazed by it. He simply continued to pray. He reached over at one point, put his hand on the head of the person, push the person back into the chair and continue to pray. So he didn't even flinch it was. And I learned that important lesson. Who cares what the devil is trying to do? Stay focused on what God is doing. So I'm not terrified at all in doing exorcisms. I'm not terrified of manifestations or those types of things because I know the power of God is greater than the power of evil.

I guess that's where I wanted to end with you. And I want to recommend again to people the book exorcism, the battle against Satan and his demons. As you can tell from this interview, Father Vincent Lampert is very reasonable and well reasoned person. But very helpful in understanding what exactly the church means by exorcism and by all of these things. So I will recommend to you again the book, Exorcism, the battle against Satan and his demons. But I was wondering, Father, before we go about what being the exorcist has done to your life of faith. And also, Father, without prying, but I mean, you hear about doctors who become somewhat tired and traumatized by emergency situations or police officers or soldiers. I wonder if there's a positive for your faith life, but I wonder if there's also a cost in being somewhat dealing with these extreme things so often.

Yeah, so on the first part of the question, I would say that being an exorcist has helped me to rediscover priesthood as a vocation. Vocation meaning the calling from God. Because there's a danger for priests today because there's fewer and fewer of us to see priesthood as an occupation, something that we do rather than something that God has called us to do. So I've been a priest now for 29 years, and I would say that as an exorcist, I've rediscovered my vocation as a priest. And the second part of your question is true, dealing with people that are on the fringes, dealing with the demonic can be very draining and taxing. Again as I mentioned earlier, I get over 1,800 communications a year from all kinds of people. And certainly I can't, you know, minister to all these people. I network with other exorcists across the United States and even other parts of the world and try to connect with people with someone in their local area. But there's no way that I can help everyone who reaches out to me. And some people, when I tell them that, can be very angry and upset and make all kinds of negative comments and things like that. So I've rediscovered what it means to be a priest, but there is a price to pay for that because I also realize that maybe some of the things that priests worry about in parish life don't really seem to be that important to me when you put it up against dealing with the demonic. You know, some of the day to day in and out worries at the parish. You know, there's a clogged toilet or a roof that's leaking. These things in the grand scheme of life just really don't matter to me because I realize there's things of a greater nature that need to be addressed.