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Episode 579: Dr. Ryan Gottfredson, Why Members Leave and What We Can Do About It

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Can I Vertically Grow and Be Two and Three?

"I don't think you're trying to create shame for people that are mind ones and kind of recognize that's me," he says. "By the time we come to church, we want political sameness, belief, sameness." He adds: "But I think we can grow. All of us can grow to be beyond that"

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