David Grann is a staff writer for The New Yorker. His new book is The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder.

“I became very haunted by the stories that [nations] don't tell. Nations and empires preserve their powers not only by the stories they tell, but also by the stories they leave out. … Early in my career, if I came across the silences in a story, I might not have highlighted them, because I thought, Well, there's nothing to tell there. And now I try to let the silences speak.”

Show notes:

• @DavidGrann
• davidgrann.com
• Grann on Longform
• Grann on Longform Podcast #3
• Grann on Longform Podcast #241
• Grann on Longform Podcast #329
• Grann's New Yorker archive
• 01:00 The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder (Doubleday • 2023)
• 02:00 Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI (Doubleday • 2017)
• 28:00 The White Darkness (Doubleday • 2018)
• 61:00 Killers of the Flower Moon (Martin Scorsese • Appian Way, Apple Studios • 2023)

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