Kaisan

Sirse: How does different people influence you? Sirse, that kaisan has influenced how i think. Jerry said last time he was on that he's stopped doing research. So we know what camp he's in. If i look at e, if i look at the firm that i work for, i will say we've been in both. We probably started out nd by not making any changes for a couple of decades and an kind of stock with what we had in terms of philosophy. And then when when e yo knw, after the year two sand, i think we went o all Kaisan, frankly, with these small, incremental improvements,. Not often, but

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