With FTX seemingly blowing up or selling in the last little bit, I pulled a few people about who the best person to have on to kind of explain what happened and how we ended up here. And Mike was the name that actually came up twice. So maybe can you give a little bit of your background and why you recommended to make by more than one person? "I've always had a long fascination with fraud going back to my throughout my whole life just in like kind of like a curiosity," he says.

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