Kant tried to take down notions of causality by attacking the stoics. He said that every great philosophy so far has been a kind of involuntary and unconscious memoir also that the moral or immoral intentions in every philosophy constituted the real germ of life from which the whole plant has grown. John Hight: We project our what we want onto the like quote-unquote objective world uh or nature and the stoics being the best example of them like they imagine nature as this rational and moral operation because that's just stoicism you knowSo it's very high john hight like post-hoc kind of philosophizing yeah okay.

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