"Cognitive dissonance is so relevant to this rit it just, to me, it's like the most powerful force in the universe," he says. "I don't agree with it, i don't aggree with it, but we can still be in the room together, and we can still have a conversation." He adds that North Americans are big into binery thinking - either you're one way or another. 'It feels like it has to be all or nothing these days'

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