Naomi Wolf: Government has done some things that are really essential. How do they do that? In other words, are there market principles that government can adopt that will minimize this expense that government is required? Michael Wolraich: I'm certainly in agreement with you on the idea that government is necessary. It could be improved a lot. When enterprise solved this problem, the unfunded liability over the last 30 years by switching from defined benefit plans to 401Ks and so forth was eliminated.

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