I wasn't there long enough to really see how the rituals of grief are sort of changing the society or how Ukrainians are manifesting these rituals of grief. And I think that over time, we'll see this all more clearly. But as of right now, it's you know how you can talk to somebody who has a recent experience of loss and then in a moment, you'll see a shadow in their eyes. That's what it was like with virtually every person that we interacted with is there was a moment where you could feel the shadow fall.

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