Dapper just had a seven point five billion dollar ation raise four hundred million. topshot has had five hundred eighty five million in transactions so whenever you're successful, the lawyers come out. They look for an angle to sue. The angle here is, this is unclear. And as i just described it, two things can be true. This could be the people could be buying n f ts because they want them to appreciate. Ok, let's get back to my interview with tel lorens. Next up on the programme is t friends, the queen of mim, the social metir reporter at the new york times.