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Putin invades Ukraine

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Democracy

In the 19 nineties, we som of the democracy programm was first rolled out. And so what we've done is we've created a defamation fund. It's not a panacea, don't get me wrong, but it's an example, i think, of what of the tools we need for this moment, not the moment. The second thing I wanted to just mention about it is really has had the effect of causing russia and china to be just talking an awful lot about democracy. What a reformer most needs to show his or her people is that there is a dividend.

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