In the Marine Corps, you know, I had the opportunity because of some of the officers that I served with that let me tag along and go on some staff rides historically. And so I started with, with Amna of it started to realize that we could do staff rides outside of the Marine Corps. So they went up to Gettysburg and when they saw how the Marine Corps just took a pile of dirt of what we call a terrain model, they were like, wow, this is pretty cheap. We've got a lot of dirt. They're using terrain models and they're sending folks out just like on a military operation. It's very hands on kind of, of learning and learning