The Importance of Self-Confidence

I think there's got to be an opportunity for you to try push yourself and change the agenda that takes confidence and resilience. it's a challenging thing to convince a bunch of people who are wedded to tradition, that they must change how they go about things. The industry is changing so quickly, we cannot at any point just go, oh, that's always been done, so you have to have resilience, optimism, yes. And when you said cocky, Sam, I genuinely thought you meant the word like be cocky, and I just give it a crack, come on, let's just ask something different."