The Problem With the Post-Liberals

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A lot of post-liberals are either Catholics, often Catholic converts. They seem to think that this would be a majoritarian society in which we elect few or perhaps the democratic many. But it's an irksome fact both that virtually all of the societies in which they operate have become very secular. And so it's very, very hard to actually make heads or tails of what it is that this post-liberal society would look like.

Michael Walzer is an eminent political philosopher and the author of numerous books, including Just and Unjust Wars and Spheres of Justice. He is professor emeritus at the Institute of Advanced Study, has taught at Harvard University, and is editor emeritus of the magazine Dissent.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Michael Walzer discuss why, though he is a democratic socialist, he believes that there are certain acceptable forms of inequality; what forms of injustice true egalitarians should focus on fighting; and the threats to liberalism from the post-liberal right and the illiberal left.

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