Intro

In this thought-provoking video, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the controversial topic of fertility rates among conservatives and liberals. They explore recent claims by right-wing influencers about "outbreeding the left" and analyze the statistical evidence behind these assertions. The couple discusses the genetic components of political beliefs, the historical trends in fertility rates between ideological groups, and the potential long-term consequences for society. They also touch on topics such as immigration, cultural assimilation, and the ethical implications of politicizing childbearing. This comprehensive discussion covers the complexities of ideology, genetics, and demographics, offering insights into the potential future of political landscapes in the United States and beyond.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] you can obviously just convert your opponent's kids, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Because liberals have always been doing this. If liberals would cease existing, if they stopped having kids, then why are there any liberals at all?

And then you point out this trend only started in the nineties.

 Before the 90s, you didn't have a big difference in fertility rates within these two genetic clusters that led to different voting behavior. And now one cluster was in a period of two generations is just going to be hard deleted from the gene pool. ,

Simone Collins: and isn't that wild? Because for so many generations, they were more or less even birth rate rise.

This is unprecedented. We just don't know what it's going to look like.

Malcolm Collins: here are two other studies I'm gonna post, one showing that 60 percent of the way you vote is genetic, and the other showing that 40 percent of the way you vote is genetic.

Yeah, but it is going to have a genetic effect on human psychology like they are getting hard deleted in a way that is going to change the way humans think. So if you're one of those people who's bragging about leaving [00:01:00] your parents religion, but are you having kids? Because if you are the mutant, and that mutation is correlated with not having kids, then you're just furthering our argument. Okay?

Would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: Kick us off, Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: So there is a an article in the Daily Dot recently. I think there's some articles on us in the past from the long past, back when I proposed to you on Reddit, actually they had a thing on us. It's titled, Who Says Romance Is Dead? Right wing influencers launch a campaign to out breathe the left.

And then it goes on to say, Four right figures, Chaya Raichi and Charlie Kirk, both said they plan to quote unquote out breed the left this week by having more children than liberals and raising them to have right wing values. Both of their statements are being memed online. Raichi runs the internet.

anti LGBTQX account, Libs of TikTok. Oh, yay! I love Libs of TikTok. Which doxxes left wing educators and individuals. [00:02:00] Her tweets have been linked to more than 20 bomb threats at schools. Okay bomb threats. It's like the people's tweets being linked at, like, how many death threats do we get regularly?

Kirk is the founder of The Turning Point USA, a conservative organization with chapters at high schools and college networks nationwide. Last weekend, Kirk hosted his organization's Young Women's Leadership Summit. On Sunday, he tweeted a video of mothers who attended the event. We are going to win, either now or later, Kirk tweeted.

We can out breed the left.

Simone Collins: It's not even a can, and it's not even a pledge thing. It's just a will thing. It's so lame to make this. It's like a statement. It's just the sun will rise. I don't know what to say.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So yeah, we actually Elon Musk tweeted that it should be considered a national emergency to have kids.

And this is what, the person who founded lives of Twitch talk replied. I come from a family of eight. I plan [00:03:00] to have a lot of kids. We're going to outbreed the left. Then we're going to homeschool our, send our kids to private schools so they can't be groomed and become any activists for leftist causes.

Unless it's that's a radical, but it's not a radical thing to say. I'm going to be

Simone Collins: honest. Every slightly conservative parent is saying now, and this is what I'm seeing on the ground in Pennsylvania, running for office is. Very reasonable, normal, not even really religiously affiliated, just not.

Actively progressive parents are saying I'm concerned about what my kid's learning. I don't want my kid to have mental health problems as a teen and adult. I'm going to homeschool them. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And it and I think a lot of people, when I'm like, I am like bothered by woke ism and stuff like that, they're like, Oh, are you really scared of the woke ism that's going on in schools now?

And stuff like that. It's I don't not think because. Certain leftists seem to have a problem with breaking out of the current social mores and looking at this from the perspective of you're not at a moral nexus of history and how are you going to be judged. You guys are going to be seen [00:04:00] as a cult that went around castrating gay kids.

You are not going to be seen favorably in the eyes of history. You will be seen As monstrous, genuinely monstrous, alongside some of the worst atrocities in human history. You I do not think the left realizes how evil they've become. And how transparently evil they've become to everyone else.

But let's go into statistics! Cause this is gonna be a statistics episode! Where we're like, will this plan work? Because there's two things here, right? One, is the right really outbreeding the left, right? That's one question. Two, is, can that work intergenerationally? Or do, will these kids just leave their parents religious or structural, like cultural, structural, or voting frameworks, right?

So first I'm going to go from a quote here. Liberals are not having enough babies to keep up with conservatives. Arthur Brooks, a social scientist at Syracuse University, was the first to point out all the way back in 2006 when he went on ABC News. [00:05:00] and blue state minds. Quote, the political right is having a lot more kids than the political left, end quote.

He explained, quote, the gap is actually 41%, end quote. Data on U. S. birth rates from the General Social Survey confirmed this trend. A random sample of 100 conservative adults will raise 208 children, whereas 100 liberal adults will raise only 147 kids.

Simone Collins: Oh my gosh.

Malcolm Collins: And so you need to divide these numbers in half given the way that this is, it's a very confusing way to word it.

But the point being is that and this was done a while ago and this gap has widened. Before the 1990s fertility differences by ideology were small. And I'm quoting here, by the way, this is from the Family Studies Institute in Limestone.

Women over the age of 45 had no difference in completed fertility and women of all ages, but with controls for years of age had only a small difference. There was however, already a difference in ideology. Conservative [00:06:00] women reported a childbearing ideal of about 0. 12. So even the difference back then in the ideal was fairly small, only a difference of 0.

12 kids higher than liberal women, which is small, but significant difference. He goes on to say, I'm gonna put the graph on the screen here. Basically put when people are like, you can obviously just convert your opponent's kids, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Because liberals have always been doing this. If liberals would cease existing, if they stopped having kids, then why are there any liberals at all?

And then you point out this trend only started in the nineties. That's why they're still liberals. Because this wasn't a correlation we had historically. People can be like, come on, people live their birth culture all the time. Except, in a big study that was done on this, 70 percent of teens vote like their parents.

And then, here are two other studies I'm gonna post, one showing that 60 percent of the way you vote [00:07:00] is genetic, and the other showing that 40 percent of the way you vote is genetic. Regardless, it's still a race. Yeah,

Simone Collins: I'd never thought about that point before and I think it's worth hammering home that birth rates were not that different between progressive and conservative groups until quite recently.

So this whole Parasitizing slash raiding Conservative groups to get progressive populations thing is not sustainable.

Malcolm Collins: No, it's not sustainable It wasn't done historically. Yeah and it is going to disappear now There's a study that i'll post on screen here where people are like I grew up in a conservative household and I left and it's yeah, but that's an anecdote.

Okay. That's not like statistics. And I will

Simone Collins: know conservative households all the time, but also those people didn't become sterilized. Yeah. There are going to be fewer people like that over time. And you're going to end up having.

Malcolm Collins: If they are the, if 60 percent of the way you vote, if you're, if you didn't have the genetic [00:08:00] component that led your parents to be conservative, it turns out that genetic component was also correlated with you staying high fertility.

So if you're one of those people who's bragging about leaving your parents religion, but are you having kids? Because if you are the mutant, and that mutation is correlated with not having kids, then you're just furthering our argument. Okay? And when I say having kids, I don't mean two kids, like above repopulation level, three or more, okay?

So if you're not doing that, then no you're just Proven our point further but to their side, it is shown that people are more likely to be in this small fraction of people that leaves their parents political beliefs. If the parents trade to force them to have those beliefs while they lived with their parents.

So parents who are loose in terms of their children's political beliefs are much more likely to have children of their beliefs. Than the parents who are not for example, my parents were always fairly conservative. Like my dad, my granddad was a conservative congressman, and when I grew up, I was considered myself quite progressive.

And now I'm quite conservative. [00:09:00] And it's almost certainly the genetics at play there. Wasn't that my dad tried to like, and this is the other thing. People are like here's how we'll win as progressives. We will extra educate the kid about political issues. And through extra educating them we can get them on our side and oh.

Here's a little study here called genes, ideology, and sophistication. Okay. It looks up how much genetics matter based on how much somebody has studied politics. The heritability of political attitudes increases with greater political knowledge and sophistication.

Once we found sociopolitical conservatism was 74 percent heritable among the most politically informed, but only 29 percent heritable for the least informed.

Simone Collins: This reminds me of other research that found that when you give more information to people with very opposing views on subjects, they just become more entrenched in their views.

I guess this rhymes with that. I don't

Malcolm Collins: think that this is what this is. Okay, so imagine it's true that you are pre coded. To have a [00:10:00] specific political perspective, like sociologically how could you convince somebody to go against their precoding? You give them information that isn't real about the world, right?

If you want to convince somebody who is genetically conservative to not be conservative in their actions in voting, what you need to do is hide information from them or tell them information in a twisted way. I see causes their conservative mindset to be

Simone Collins: overridden,

Malcolm Collins: but the more information they gain access to about the world, the more they are going to fit in to like their actual puzzle piece slot.

If we are all like political puzzle pieces, the more we know about the board, the more we're going to fit into our accurate slot. And I actually see this on the left when I see the leftists who have deconverted from conservative families. They're often the least educated political individuals I know.

Like their views on politics are usually more just like the party line IE like tm. [00:11:00] Yeah. Or, yeah, when,

Simone Collins: And we see this a lot, for example, with people in California who are not at all politically involved, but of course we'll only ever vote for. Progressive politicians, because that's what one does.

And it is one's understanding that the correct view is the progressive view, because you didn't even allude to this a little earlier, that the assumption is that to convert someone to progressive views, you simply must educate them. And there is this pervasive view that the party of science in the United States is Democrats.

The people of science and of reason and correctness are progressives and the people of backwards religious tradition are conservatives. Which is also just interesting because now I think it's starting to shift in the other direction and when you find hyper evidence based people, they're now conservative.

Yes. Yeah, it is. But only hyper like we're willing to believe in the truth even when it is not true. But I think

Malcolm Collins: that was true historically. What is the fight? And this is actually interesting between [00:12:00] capitalism and communism or libertarianism and socialism, but a fight over how educated you are about economics and your willingness to believe the truth about how economic systems work.

Oh s**t. This is why we have reconverted.

Simone Collins: There's the graph, right? There's like half wit, there's mid wit, and then there's

Malcolm Collins: And this is actually the core problem, right? Because two groups are drawn to conservatism, right? Like the reason why I am a capitalist and not a socialist, and this is a capitalist, whiz modifications and stuff like that.

Like I'm not a pure libertarian is because it's the system that leads to the most prosperity and ability for individual freedom. And I do understand how being economically constrained constrains an individual's Freedom and therefore if socialism worked, I would support it. I don't support it because it doesn't work.

It makes everyone poorer on average. Even the people who are getting the social handouts. Um, just so you people understand like how [00:13:00] bad socialism is. Here's a great example. Okay. You can look in America right now. And be like, Oh, certain groups are poorer than other groups. Like people will say like a black Americans are poorer than the average American, but did you know that the average black American is wealthier than the average British person?

In terms of yearly income, that is not, no, that's really interesting. Is that's true. Yeah, that's how much of a difference it makes. It's huge. Even fairly not socialist countries. I don't know if Britain people would consider a fully socialist state, but to me it is. Or look at Canada, right?

Simone Collins: If you've nationalized healthcare,

Malcolm Collins: you've gone pretty far.

Like the, like the anyway, but hold on we're, we'll keep going here. But there, here's a problem on the right. Okay. There's two reasons that you can adopt right leaning perspectives. And this is why I'm scared. Like a lot of people, when I am approaching. Fertility collapse and who are our enemies and who aren't our enemies.

I often approach the urban monoculture or the progressives like they're an NPC, [00:14:00] like they don't even really matter. Like they're not going to exist in the future. They're just an obstacle for me to jump over. Who is the player killer? Who is the other player in this game? And it's that there are two genetic propensities that can drive somebody to conservatism and there are.

Two broad conservative frameworks. I'd call this the fascist framework in the individualist framework. So one framework is like me where I am driven largely by the belief that everyone should be free to do things their own way. And to live the life they want to live. And that's, what's guiding a lot of my decisions.

Like how do I maximize this outcome? And every cultural group should at least not at the individual level, because that leads to stupid externalities, but at the cultural group when people are like, what are those stupid externalities. Like a kid says, I don't want to be spanked.

And they're like the kid doesn't want it. Therefore we don't do it. Or a kid says, I believe I was born in the wrong body and I need to medically alter myself as an 11 year old. And the adults like, no, that's [00:15:00] stupid. It's f**k off. But if you take this like pure individualist instead of an individualist cultural frame threat then you end up making really stupid decisions.

So I take the individual's cultural perspective. So that's what I'm optimizing for. But then there's the second, instead of saying, okay, if all human groups are allowed to act the way that they want to act, that righteousness will be served. And there's the other, Drive to conservatism, which is they want fascist.

Sorry. They want capitalism because they want the strong to rule over the weak They want libertarianism because they see that as like an aesthetic ideal They want a system where they are the strong and they force the weak to live like them Where everybody has to live the way that their culture lives And for us, these are really just progressives, but by a different color, because this is what the progressive movement is doing right now.

It's trying to enforce its beliefs on other people in regards to child rearing structures or in regards to the way you should [00:16:00] live or in regards to education. And we try to, Take our kids outta these systems. Somebody was like, why are you ragging on Germany for what they're doing with schools?

Germany doesn't not, no. Germany doesn't allow homeschooling, homeschooling does not allow it. It's illegal. You cannot protect your kids from the urban monoculture in that country because it has gotten to that state. So that's how bad it's Okay. Yeah. And

Simone Collins: specifically, yeah, we're not traditionalists, we're not crazy progressives.

We are in favor of. cultural sovereignty, we're in favor of pluralism, and we're very strongly against coercion, and there are groups within conservative factions and progressive factions that are coercive and domineering in this way, and we are not for it.

Malcolm Collins: I'm not just not for it. I am willing to ally with them in the short term.

Yeah, but they're not,

Simone Collins: they're incapable of being coercive in the short term. So that's, I don't know. Yeah, they're incapable of being

Malcolm Collins: coercive in the short term. That's the only reason we rely [00:17:00] on them. Because our faction, ideologically winning, gives them the cover to grow and recover and try to gain power again.

But to us, while we may ally with them in the short term, they are just as evil as the fascist progressives.

Simone Collins: They are just as much of a threat and anyone who decides that their imperative is to impose Their standards and values and cultures and lifestyles on you is going to be a threat ultimately

Malcolm Collins: Yeah this is actually I think it explains a very odd thing about us where people are like Why are you guys so philia semitic so nice to jewish populations and the jewish culture and we're like This is the core reason it's one of the few You really successful, very high fertility, very culturally successful and technologically successful cultural groups that is not interested at forcing my family to live a different way than we live.

Like they are just like, yeah, we're okay with groups different from us existing. So of course we're going to uplift that. Example for other cultures to [00:18:00] learn from. And our culture historically did that. The Calvinist cultural group was generally that way in a historic context.

Because, we believe in the elect and the fallen, right? And the fallen are going to hell anyway. It's not our job to save the fallen. The fallen are meant to go to hell. The elect will be called by God themselves. And if they're not, then I don't need to go I can broadly be part of the intellectual conversation and put my stuff out there and my ideas out there without an attempt to convert somebody because I genuinely do not think that is how God works, is through proselytization.

He works through calling people to the to the truth if they are meant to be among the elect. Or if they were pre assigned among the elect. But anyway so that's one answer there. But then you have the question of what was I going to say here?

That's another there's a confounding factor here, Simone, that we haven't considered. Which is to say that and I'm quoting here from the family studies article on this. However, having children probably also makes people more conservative. Prior academic research has found that after women have children, they tend to [00:19:00] subsequently adopt more conservative social attitudes about gender roles as a result in both British and American data sets.

Now you certainly have after you had kids. I think it's because once you have kids, do you realize that the traditional gender roles just work? And why the hell were you fighting this to begin with? Our stance

Simone Collins: on this is it doesn't matter who does what people should just lean into what they're good at.

And I think that's the thing is if it turned out that we were flipped and somehow you did more traditionally womanly things, and I did more traditionally man things, it wouldn't be a problem for us. We would just do what we're good at.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And then there's this other point here, which is going to make things harder.

And when people are like, why do I care? Like, why am I so worried about the economic effects of all of this? Not just from a population fertility falling perspective, that it is disproportionately falling within the economically productive regions. This also comes into this conversation, which is, and did you know this, that democratic counties make up 70 [00:20:00] percent of the United States economic output.

Simone Collins: Oh, ouch. Yeah. That makes sense because also when you look at cities, which are largely progressive, they are famously referred to as IQ shredders. They're drawing the most productive, talented people to them. Who typically adopt the local culture and also stop having kids. And yet these are some of the most high achieving people in the world.

So that's, yeah, it is really scary. And I think that's something that's also not discussed enough when people are talking about perinatalist policy. Is they're looking about how to create more people in general and not how to create more high taxpayers in general, which is going to be the really big question, because if we're going to maintain any kind of semblance of the format of social services and infrastructure funding and pensions that we have now, we're going to lean more than ever on a very increasingly small group of productive taxpayers.

To pay for everything. And [00:21:00] those people are disappearing the fastest, which is really scary. When I think about this though, from the perspective of that original statement of we're going to out compete them, I pledged to do this. We can do this. It's it's stupid. It's not a battle that any conservative is really fighting anyway, because any conservative actually really just knows that.

We are, and we do, and we will but if this were a battle where you had conservatives pledging this and you had progressives pledging this, the progressive rallying cry is what are children for? A new book that came out, which was supposed to be the progressive answer. We got to do a whole

Malcolm Collins: other episode on this.

Simone Collins: And we are. To the Pronatalist Manifesto. And punchline, I only have maybe one or two chapters left. It is extremely unconvincing. And I'm reading it from the perspective of my teen young 20 self, which was still very progressive and still quite against having kids, if we're being honest, it does not make

Malcolm Collins: any sense.

Simone Collins: A [00:22:00] compelling argument. Oh. When we're simply getting angry,

Malcolm Collins: you're like, these women should not be having kids.

Simone Collins: Yeah. No, it's bad. It's making me actually antinatalists toward progressives reading this book which is deeply disturbing. I feel like the progressives are even more hoisted by their own petard than, they Simone,

Malcolm Collins: they are hoisted by their own retard.

Hoisted by their own retard. I don't know if we're allowed to say that yet. The hard R is returned. It's back. Progressives have been hoisted by their own retard. But there's a few other points I wanted to go here, um One that I really wanted to elevate is that this is going to lead to a genuine genetic change in the population that humanity has never experienced.

The fact that before the 90s, okay and we actually did a study where we were looking at progressive fertility rates, and we found the rate to be 100 percent difference, or I think it was more than 100 percent difference, like 120 percent difference, so this other study is I think they're underselling it or it was done a while ago.

But anyway, that before the 90s, you didn't have a big difference in [00:23:00] fertility rates within these two genetic clusters that led to different voting behavior. And now one cluster was in a period of two generations is just going to be hard deleted from the gene pool.

Simone Collins: And isn't that wild? Because for so many generations, they were more or less even birth rate rise.

This is unprecedented. We just don't know what it's going to look like.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but it is going to have a genetic effect on human psychology like they are getting hard deleted in a way that is going to change the way humans think. Yeah, this is a selective pressure

Simone Collins: similar to, I don't know, like the Irish potato famine.

You've got this population where one group is choosing to go out into the future and the other group is choosing to stay and die. And what's that going to look like?

Malcolm Collins: We can predict some of what it looks like. The ideas that progressives are pushing are not going to win in politics in the future.

They will win more in the short run because people become more progressive when you break up a family structure. And they go unmarried, but in the long run, they are just deleting [00:24:00] themselves from the gene pool. And anyone who is ideologically siding with the progressives right now, you in history Even if you are not morally wrong, like in an absolute term, you will not be on the side of the victors.

And therefore you will be treated in the same way. Today, we talk about the people who supported slavery, or we talk about the people who supported the Nazis, or We talk about maybe in a more modern context, if you're talking about things that's what's going on with the extremists was in parts of the trans movement the way who supported lobotomies, which actually were disproportionately done by progressives on their kids.

Because the scientific community said lobotomies are good. And so they used it like the Kennedy family, for example, famously did progressives

Simone Collins: then and now, or we're in favor of medical interventions.

Malcolm Collins: And they don't know how monstrous they're going to look in the eyes of history, but it's going to be bad.

It's going to be a historic bloodbath, and there is, I would not attach any idea I have to this stuff. Now the second thing I need to [00:25:00] talk about is the silver lining on all of this. Oh, that's good. Which is, as we've said, we don't really worry about the progressives. They're just like a hurdle our family has to get by, but they don't actually matter.

They're not actually a threat. It is the fascist conservatives who are the real intergenerational threat, right? Those conservatives who have this sort of ethnic hierarchy and think that everything can be solved by control and domination and my group of rule is that the leaders of this movement often have. Um, you know, Recently we did an episode basically trashing Nick Fuentes for not having kids, but like he doesn't have a wife even, but like you can look at older iterations of this movement. So I was on a talk show recently, Zero Hour with John Papalopoulos or something. I don't know. It was by Blaze TV.

So they flew me out to Dallas and I went to this nice studio and everything like that. It was really fun. It's run by Glenn Beck, the network. Anyway, so before me they had on And culture. And I actually trashed her in my talk. I was like, cause she said the entire talk complaining about [00:26:00] Hispanics in our country and low quality people in our country that we were letting in from other countries.

And she's Oh, and we used to have high quality immigrants and people are thinking like pre 19. 30s immigrants, not the immigrants we have today when they say, Oh, I only want legal immigrants. Oh, because

Simone Collins: we loved Italians and Irish people back then. I'm like,

Malcolm Collins: bro, yeah, this is, first of all, she's just High quality people.

Living in f*****g delusion. To explain what I mean by this she's look at all these. Freaking immigrants coming with their crime and all of their, there's exactly the same accusations made against immigrants always bring organized crime. The Irish brought the mob, the Italian brought the mafia.

This is just a Catholic immigrant thing. And then they integrate and they're not like that anymore. And then we call them white, even though we thought of them as different ethnicities to begin with. I guarantee you, Hispanics, will be thought of as white by the time you and I die. And in fact, I imagine that the ultra lefties will start thinking it's offensive for [00:27:00] Hispanics to pretend they're not white in the same way that they might talk about an Italian pretending they're not white or Irish pretending they're not white, even though these were historically discriminated groups.

Yes. The Irish were a historically discriminated group, both in their home country and in the United States. Yes. The Italians had it. Terribly so terribly by the way that Frederick Douglas, former slave, famous activist. When he was doing a tour of Southern Italy, he said that they lived in conditions worse than the American slaves.

So I don't think that people realize how bad the Italians had it, or that when they came to the U. S. people really did see them as like uneducated savages. And they did have a lot more organized crime than the current Hispanic immigrants to our country. But anyway and a culture No kids, no husband.

She's been through like five engagements divorce every time or broke up every time. That's a, her problem at that point. Like you don't breaking up even a single engagement from my perspective is a huge deal. Like you. It's not a normal human thing to do. [00:28:00] Having done it so many times that she says she can't even remember everyone she's been engaged to, that is a, you are in some way, some sort of a psycho.

But I think that this psychoship, this incredibly high standards, which leading to these people not getting married, I think is part of it. Is part of this ultra authoritarian mindset. And this ultra out group hating mindset. They just don't know how to love. Again, I think love is just a tool to hold marriages together.

Like I'm not like a love is a good thing, but I think that like our marriage has so much love in it. It's insane. For people, but I also

Simone Collins: think

Malcolm Collins: love,

Simone Collins: I hate to say this, but, or we'll just say a positive experience and feeling of pride is a large driver of intergenerational durability in cultures, which is to say.

If you really love your kids and give them a great experience and actually love each other, it's probably going to inspire those kids to want to do that themselves and pass it on. [00:29:00] Whereas if you're doing this out of some sense of competition or pride or regimented, stern, religious ferocity, you're not going to see a lot of people want to pass that on when they're given a choice.

Malcolm Collins: Exactly. And I think it's that they don't know how to, Treat or think about other humans fundamentally. So I could think about intuitions I've had recently, where like you the other day I accidentally locked her out of the bottom of the house. Cause we generally bolt all of the inside doors of our house.

Cause we get so many death threats and I really had to go to the bathroom and then she was short with me for doing that, upon telling me and I and by the way, you could have gone to the bathroom downstairs. You needed to go to your specific bathroom. But that's the toilet

Simone Collins: that the kids use, and I would have to completely wipe it down before I could,

Malcolm Collins: and I could not wait.

But I also knew that you were going to feel bad about being short with me, and I was like, I really hope she doesn't feel bad about that. It was totally justified in context, because she was probably in a lot of pain in that moment.

Simone Collins: Losing emotional [00:30:00] control is never justified.

Malcolm Collins: You never I should have thought about that.

I knew you were out. But anyway there was like a big yelling, too It was like a few like Malcolm don't do that again. I really need to go it wasn't like an argument or something like that before storming away to go to the bathroom But I guess it's just that any sort of negative interaction with you is so rare that I know you're going to have this big existential reaction to having had one.

And I feel bad about that because I don't want to cause you any negative emotions through anything I do. And It's just this thinking about another person first in all things is a mindset that is very hard for the person with a fascistic worldview to get behind. But it's something you need if you're going to make marriages really work, especially in a way where kids want to replicate that because you might be able to get your marriage to work. You might be able to stay in your household as a stern man, spanking your wife like they used to in the third, I don't grow up.

[00:31:00] They see you abusing your wife. They see your wife acting as totally subjugated by you, not uplifted by you. Do you think your daughters want to get married after that? You think they want to stay in your culture? No. And I think that this is why those groups will ultimately fail is even though they're part of the larger conservative alliance they just are not very good when people can leave their culture and when they can't say stay in or we'll kill you at keeping their culture together.

Now, I do think they'll spread in regions where they control people. You look at Gaza, for example, right? There were people in Gaza who were against the war, but they were murdered by other. people in their country.

But there are other places in the world where the fascist group is dominant, where the group that is my culture, my way of seeing things, everything must be militarized. Everything must be my way or the highway, my way. Or we will come to your home and we will kill you and your children. That does exist as a majority viewpoints in some parts of the world.

And those parts of the world, I think are our cultural enemies. And [00:32:00] there are people in this country who want to create that and act Oh, I'm so goody, I'll partner with you for now or worse. They're like, no, we should do this in America today. And I'm like, first of all, I disrespect you because of your position.

Second of all, I disrespect you because you're stupid. You do not control a majority large enough to take power or competent enough to take power. You control a bunch of low economic producing zealots who cannot make up even a single election or maybe a few local elections, but that's it. Like you need a big tent alliance to actually win and you are sabotaging your own objectives which should mostly be just living in peace because you're a minority population, which all conservative religious groups are in this country.

You are the smarter of us and I know you're who fans really want to hear from we saw this in a recent comment and I will never let you hear the end of it because I get

Simone Collins: the

Malcolm Collins: one out of [00:33:00] thousands of comments people upvoted it that two people upvoted it and then I've upvoted it. So there's three of us here.

Oh boy.

Simone Collins: Just ridiculous. We know this is happening and the whole reason why we are in this fight to a great extent is because we're concerned about a loss of plurality. It's sad to me that people would gloat about the fact that they are just going to outbreed other groups. Because when I hear that, I feel sad.

I feel sad that we're losing those perspectives. At the same time that I feel very frustrated by the perspectives of those we're losing. I'm reading this book, oh god, why, I keep forgetting the name because it's a really, What are children for? Why is that even the title of this book? Why? I just, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Children are for how they make the parents feel. That's why progressives cannot motivate kids. There was actually a tweet I saw recently that I really agree with, which said that 70 percent of maternal instincts are fulfilled with one kid and 90 percent are fulfilled with two kids. That is why progressives cannot motivate [00:34:00] high childbirth.

And it is true if you're only doing things because that's what you want. This is the thing, like, how could you do something to your kids that they don't want? And it's because I'm interested in something more than just doing what I want all the time. Being affirmed for whoever I want to be all the time.

But in this

Simone Collins: book, they, in this book, they talk about people who like political lesbians are like political anti needle lists, where they say, I'm not having children. Unless you vote Democrat, unless you fix climate change unless. So they're politically not, they're politically childless.

But I feel like the exact equivalent of that is these politically childful people on the right who are like I'm going to have kids just to stick it to you. And I think both are incredibly lame. Have kids, if you love them, and you're going to be a good parent.

Malcolm Collins: Which of these groups is actually good people, right?

The people on the right who are doing it because they believe their cultural group matters and are good guys, and they're willing to put their money where their mouth is and do the effort of raising kids, which is hard. That's what the other group [00:35:00] believes too. No, you, they're basically just cry bullies.

They're like, I am going to threaten you by saying, I won't have kids. They are really the suicide squad from Life of Brian. The crack suicide squad that goes off and he thinks he's going to be rescued and they all commit suicide and go, that'll show them.

So you you're getting people to sign a petition.

pledge, basically saying that they will not have Children until the Canadian government takes serious action on climate change.

 The E. T. N. people's We are to defend people's front! Crack Suicide Squad! Attack!

That showed them, huh? You silly sods.

Malcolm Collins: Because that's what they're doing.

They're, I'm not, if they come to me and they're like, I have different political beliefs than you. And unless you adopt my political beliefs, I'm going to kill myself. And [00:36:00] I'll be like. But I don't agree with you. I like, I don't want to deal with the cleanup after you kill yourself, but like I guess go ahead Can you lay down some newspapers first?

That's really the way I feel about progressives right now

Simone Collins: Yeah My point more largely is that I don't think that having kids should be politicized as much as this is a politicized issue as much As this is a major No, I just agree with

Malcolm Collins: you wrongly on this point I do. I think that people should have kids because they think that the way of life that they have should continue to exist in the future.

People who don't have a hypothesis about how to create a good way of life or who didn't have a good childhood and way of life growing up it is righteous that they should have no kids because they will not be able to give the next generation a better life than they've had, which I think is always our duty is to create a generation that's better than us.

So I do not mind that the people who [00:37:00] can't even hypothesize a better civilization are the ones who are sterilizing themselves. And, we have the episode that's on why running the pronatalist movement is so low stress, which I'd really suggest you guys check out. It is hilarious.

It's the Tucker and Dale vs. Forces of Evil pronatalist problem episode. It'll include the little clip I put together from it in here.

Oh, good, look, your friends are here! Hey!

You're supposed to want to have children. And this is your ultimate goal in life. It is a very archaic idea and old idea and representation of a woman.

 So you you're getting people to sign a petition.

pledge, basically saying that they will not have Children until the Canadian government takes serious action on climate change.

Is that your blood? What, no. No, it's college kid blood. And how many people have signed on so far. 1, 381 as of right now. I know what this is. This is a suicide [00:38:00] pact. Oh my god, that makes so much sense. , we have got to hide all of the sharp objects!

if only I was born with a vagina. To solve that problem. Amen, sister.

 Holy mother of God! Some kid, he just hucked himself right into the wood chipper! What? Head first, right into the wood chipper! It looked like it might have been one of the college kids..

Malcolm Collins: Because, it's, True it's they, it is sad, like, when we go to someone and we're like, okay, here's how we can help your group survive, they're like, you must hate us, because you want us to change something.

And it's not just progressives, the episode I hope goes live right before this one, we'll see how processing works, is the Catholic episode. And when we go to Catholics and we're like, your fertility rates are desperately low you need to culturally do something different. You hate Catholics, it's we're telling you this because we're trying to save you b t.

Freaking knob, okay? We're just telling you the facts. Your fertility rates are uniquely low for your economic condition when contrasted with [00:39:00] every other human group alive, okay? Figure out something or you're gonna die out. But it's the same with progressives. But with progressives I have less care because for me the current progressive party has just become I, do I really want to save the Nazis?

Do I want to save these people who believe that humanity should be divided into an ethno hierarchy with certain groups, human dignity mattering more than others, as you see, was like COVID vaccines in our state being distributed based on race, not based on need with certain ethnic groups getting access to it earlier or you know, more, more extreme than that.

The fact that they have literally become anti Semitic now, they're like, Oh, we just hate Zionists. We don't hate Jews. I'm like depending on the study, you look at 80 to 95 percent of Jews are Zionists. And they're like yeah, it's those ones I hate. I'm like, bro that's like saying, I don't hate Christians.

I just hate people who believe that Jesus was the son of God. It's that's like a near hundred percent overlap and they're like, why would the [00:40:00] Jews, why would the Jews think they need their own state to be safe? What historically could have happened to them that would lead to this insane perspective?

The pogroms, the Holocaust, the constant genocides that they went through. Yeah. There's a reason why this is such a common perspective in Jewish circles. You guys are the delusional ones and you are promoting. A country that has already killed almost every person in it who promoted this non ha Anyway I'm going on a I guess the punchline is just I'm okay with the punchline!

I'm okay, we will And you're okay with it. We're gonna replace you, because you do not deserve to exist. With those vile opinions that you have castrating gay kids. See, here's where I disagree with you.

Simone Collins: I think that the, what as progressives is a very small radicalized sub faction that controls the party and is setting policy.

That's the problem is that they're [00:41:00] still controlling the lifestyles and the birth rates of the very reasonable and pluralistic people. Existing under their reign.

Malcolm Collins: You're saying I support the Nazis who didn't support the okay, yeah, they voted for the Nazi party, but they personally weren't on board with the whole genocide thing.

It's bro, it doesn't matter if you're on board with the genocide thing or not. If you are voting in a way that puts those people in power. You are the consequence not the consequence, but you are leading to this consequence. You can say, I'm putting this person in power, but I disagree with the thing that they consistently do.

Simone Collins: I think that drawing a comparison to Nazis here is unfair because it's one thing to be aware of, for example, concentration camps, and it's another thing to not really understand what's going on with many progressive policies, which one's entire life, one has been taught are backed by science, reason, and goodness.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, to the children transitioning things. I support trans adults, but children transitioning, even the most recent [00:42:00] study but a lot of adults still think I just need to quote the results of the study so people are aware because it's something people should be broadly aware of. It came out in 2024.

It was titled, , something like development of gender nonconformity in adolescents and early adulthood. And it found that of 11 year olds who are gender nonconforming over 90 percent by the age of 26 are completely gender conforming. Of kids who claim that they are trans and go on things like purity blockers, which we now know lead to irreversible long term damage and likely even more severe than the studies are showing in animal models is a one standard deviation decline in IQ.

You can't just. Turn off purity and turn it on again. Are leading to real damage to these people. And I think probably more damage than lobotomies. It is incredibly

Simone Collins: damaging. What I'm saying is there is probably more disinformation to mainstream progressive voters and adults now about what's really going on.

Then there [00:43:00] was with like mainstream. voters and citizens in Nazi Germany about what was going on and that there is going to be a lot of innocent collateral damage with falling birth rates because of what's happening. So when I see progressives going extinct, Okay, there is this sub faction that was going to burn out anyway, and then there's a lot of Actually,

Malcolm Collins: I actually think that the types of misinformation are really overlapping.

So why did the Nazis target the Jews? Because they were seen as like a wealthy elite that had more money than the mainstream population. Why did the progressives target the people who they target?

Simone Collins: These people were being removed from their homes. People were disappearing.

Malcolm Collins: I'm sorry. I have seen Jews being attacked on college campuses.

I have seen the signs that they are chanting in mainstream progressive circles on college campuses. I'm not saying it's not egregious. Sorry, from the river to the sea, you're just, we're just on different points of a f*****g timeline, Simone. But this timeline could [00:44:00] play out if we don't resist it now. No, it needs to be

Simone Collins: resisted, and I'm with you on that.

I'm just saying that there is, I'm with you on that. a vastly large mainstream progressive audience that is incredibly centrist. That is, look at how all elections work, right? The primaries, you get these extreme candidates, and then they spend the entire general election lead up trying to look as centrist as possible, because guess what?

Most voters, are very close to the center with a slight skew in one direction or the other. But these are the progressives that we're going to

Malcolm Collins: lose to convince them are the same taxes that were used to convince the Nazis. How did the Nazis convince people to hate the Jews? They said that they were going to come in and kill them.

Basically, you had the blood libel claims. You had the claims that they were going to come and attack them. Look at the way progressives make up stuff about conservatives and like the LGBT community. We don't have, we don't have a problem with trans adults. I support gay people to hell and back, okay?

But I do think that what's being done to kids is completely out of line with what the data says. I

Simone Collins: agree with you. I [00:45:00] think we're just talking

Malcolm Collins: past each other at this point. No, hold on. I gotta go. I gotta finish this statement here, okay? But progressives, of today are being convinced to take these actions to go into neighborhoods to burn down people's stores with people.

No Malcolm, the

Simone Collins: mainstream centrist progressives are not doing that.

Malcolm Collins: They are allowing it by not shutting it down. These should be met with local police forces where they are, ban the police and stuff like that. That this stuff is passing, that these things, that in nearby states These people

Simone Collins: are living in a world where the mainstream media frames this as a mostly peaceful protest and people don't understand what's happening on the ground.

So I'm sorry, that's what's happening. People are being lied to and many progressives have no idea how gravely terrible it is. And it's a little bit of Stockholm syndrome. It's a little bit of genuine misinformation. But I'm just saying there's like Trump would say a lot of good people on both sides.

[00:46:00] Okay. All right. A lot of good people.

Malcolm Collins: I love that. I'm more extreme than Trump. I don't think there's a lot of good people on both sides. I think people I stand with Trump on this husband, but we got to go get the kids. As a smarter one, I should defer to your opinion now, but I know that this is true.

You're amazing. I can't roll my eyes

Simone Collins: hard enough. I can't. I hate

Malcolm Collins: you too Simone.

Simone Collins: Octavian's probably running out here already. Would you mind intercepting him and getting the kiddos and carrying them over the mud ditch so they don't track it in. Okay, I love you. I

Malcolm Collins: love you too. And

Simone Collins: he loves you too. He loves you too. Oh, let's go get him. Let's go have fun.

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