Ashmine: I was able to use a paintbrush and with the second group, I had to use a chisel. They're both art forms. The other one is pure destruction. And there definitely had to be some, um, pounding just to, to find the beauty in that space. One of the guys openly said to me, Hey, I've already made all the money,. you know, I need to make. He didn't even think it was resistant. He thought conflict was good. Ashmine: If you're out there and you're a business leader, you're in this space and you're going, "Hey, I need a community like this" Reach out

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