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THE WAGER: David Grann Tells a Tale of Shipwreck and Mutiny

The Next Big Idea

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David Perry: I was listening to an interview that you did about one of your other books, Killers the Flower Moon. He asked if you had to find a new style suited to that story. You came up with something that was spare and had elements of the Western in it., he says. Perkins: For me, both structurally and tonally, I try to create one that suits the material and let it grow out of the material.

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