When people become storytellers for a bit and they don't go straight into debate, there's a far deeper and richer chance for people to feel heard and understood. If he goes, well, did I ever tell you about that time? You know, with my family when so and so, like 30 years ago, and he might just come out with a story you've never heard before. And if you do that, the hope is, of course, that he'd want to do that with you. Curiosity tends to be contagious. But I don't know. I've seen it work over and over again.

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