What Should We Be Doing Instead of Punishment?

Danielle: I think shame on all of us for not having considered in the face of what you're describing. What should we be doing instead for these people who have suffered such horrible harm? And it's much easier to get stories to break through than to fully change everybody's minds, she says. The catch 22 in it for me is that as someone who does work on shame all the time, the only pathway I've ever found out of shame is accountability. We will choose those values over particular material game, right? Some white people will shift; some will not.