Growth on a finite planet has some limitations, shall we say. We don't know how to do democratic politics without growth in Western countries. And so I think we've been living in a world since about 2005, where growth is really quite difficult for most Western economies. Our problem now is all the problems of constraints, because of all the damage that has been done to the biosphere by the pursuit of growth. But we are going to need economic growth even though we have just face how it is hard to get there.

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