In this fast-paced world, we’re constantly pushed to do more, achieve more, and optimise every moment of our lives. But what if true fulfillment comes not from doing it all, but from choosing what truly matters? In this episode, I sit down with Oliver Burkeman, author of Four Thousand Weeks and Meditations for Mortals, to explore how we can live meaningfully in a world obsessed with productivity.

Oliver’s work challenges the cultural pressure to be endlessly efficient, encouraging us to embrace our limitations, face our mortality, and focus on what brings true purpose to our lives. We discuss practical ways to let go of the impossible pursuit of “doing it all” and instead prioritise depth, connection, and what truly counts.

I first discovered Oliver’s work when Four Thousand Weeks came highly recommended by Adam Grant, and it changed the way I approach my own life. Today, I’m excited to share this conversation with you — a conversation about slowing down, letting go, and living fully amidst the noise. I hope it inspires you as much as it did me.

00:00 Introduction

01:28 Getting to Know Oliver Burkeman

02:16 Rethinking Productivity Through Oliver’s Perspective

06:32 Navigating FOMO and Existential Overwhelm

09:51 Embracing Limitations and Making Meaningful Choices

14:10 Challenging Society’s Obsession with Optimization

16:30 Oliver’s Advice on Managing Tasks and Priorities

18:52 Exploring Meditations for Mortals

21:14 Staying Grounded and Present in a Distracted World

23:52 Understanding the Concept of Productivity Debt

25:32 The Power of Keeping a 'Done List'

26:43 Redefining Success Through Oliver’s Lens

28:56 The Billboard Question: What Message Would Oliver Share with the World?

31:19 Final Reflections and Key Takeaways

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