Bitcoin vs. gold: cycles and leverage

Peter Grosskopf — former CEO of Sprott and co-founder of Argo — joins Scarce Assets to unpack why gold has been the runaway winner of 2025 and what that says about debt, inflation, and the end of “risk-free” bonds.

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WHAT WE COVER:

- How gold became 2025’s top-performing major asset while “nothing was really wrong”

- Central bank de-dollarization: SWIFT sanctions, exploding US deficits, and reserve rebalancing

- Why gold is quietly replacing Treasuries as the global “safe asset”

- The debasement trade: protecting purchasing power when CPI underreports reality

- Peter’s personal allocation: ~50% in gold, silver, Argo balances, and miners

- Liquidity, QT’s end, and why the Fed’s balance sheet likely has to grow again

- Inside Argo: 24/7 direct-to-vault gold, outside the financial system, at ETF-beating costs

- Tokenized gold (Tether, Pax) and why custody, vaults, and bankruptcy remoteness matter

KEY INSIGHTS:

- Gold’s 2025 move isn’t about a single crisis — it’s decades of debasement risk finally being priced in

- Central banks aren’t just “adding diversification”; they’re hedging both sanctions and US fiscal decay

- For Peter, gold is no longer a hedge against dollars — it’s the base unit of savings

- Official inflation at 2–3% doesn’t match lived experience; the real erosion feels closer to 5–7% with violent spikes

- Treasuries are losing their status as the default safe haven; gold is stepping into that role

- Bitcoin is still digesting leverage and maturing from a speculative tech trade into a long-horizon macro asset

- Direct-to-vault and tokenized gold will sit at the core of the next monetary plumbing stack

PETER’S THESIS: “Gold isn’t just a crisis hedge anymore. It’s the base case. The real experiment is trying to run this level of debt on fiat and calling it ‘risk-free.’”

WHO IS PETER GROSSKOPF?

- Co-Founder — Argo, a digital platform for direct-to-vault physical gold

- Former CEO — Sprott (2010–2022), leading one of the world’s premier precious metals firms

- Managing Partner — SCP Resource Finance, focused on mining and real asset finance

- 35+ Years in Financial Services — spanning trading, asset management, and capital markets

- Lifelong precious metals investor now bridging vaulted gold with modern digital rails

CHAPTERS:

00:00 - Gold’s Shock 2025 Rally & Peter’s Background

07:25 - Why Central Banks Are Rebuilding Gold Reserves

14:20 - From 60/40 to Gold: Institutional Reallocation

20:06 - Gold as the New “Safe Asset” Replacing Treasuries

29:45 - Bitcoin vs Gold in 2025: Cycles, Leverage & Liquidity

41:48 - Inside Argo: Direct-to-Vault Gold in the Digital Era

50:04 - Tokenized Gold vs Direct Vault Ownership & Custody Risks

54:40 - Key Takeaways, Where to Learn More & Outro

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