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The Doable Don't and Best Things First
Bjorn Sigurdsson: I'm writing in 35 papers around the world on all of these topics. We need to get people to realize, yes, climate change is a real problem, but it's not this catastrophic end of the world. He says we can't even convince your own countries to become poor. And you certainly can't convince the poor countries to say, yeah, sure, we'll stay poor. But partly just simply making it a little harder for poor countries to get out of poverty is in my view immoral. Bjorn Sigmundsson: Most of these problems will be much alleviated by people not being in poverty.