There's a real opposition between curiosity and judgment. You can be in one mode or the other, but they don't really canto go together. When you're trying to get yourself out of that more judgmental mind set, when you're thinking about people you disagree with, it works to kind of put yourself in a curiosity mind say, well, i might never agree with them. And actually that is that can kind of build more ore, more embathy, for sure.