"I think like I've said this before, I think we just hit a perfect shit storm. And that's why we're in the situation we're in," he says. "We don't want to reflect on it almost like we just want to put it behind us." The shutdown was one of many factors but also rich people stealing from taxpayers and supply chains going out of business because of lockdowns,. He adds: "What do we believe? I know I'm too hardcore that everything they say is it's got to be the opposite"

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