I think atoms themselves are still just human choices, right? So seeing things up into atoms seems like a choice we make because it's convenient for the human mind. But if you actually look at deeper reality, it's probably our best theory says something more like field. It's not even atoms. Atoms are maybe not the most basic thing. Yeah, that's very interesting. I suppose we're getting into the realm of the continuing word games that we just see these things around as we have to agree on the sort of name and properties of that name. We try and describe the physical world around us by matching it to things that our human mind and body and our embodiment can kind of

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