How to Make Sure That the National Debt Is Falling

I think the debt is in the detail here, isn't it? And we're still going to be in the same sort of like ballpark that we were basically as since we came out the pandemic. Without significant cuts to public services, significant long-term cuts to public service, all significant rise in taxes, the chances of the national debt falling significantly are basically zero. So they could look like they've failed even if they do technically succeed. I feel sympathetic for Sunac because there is no fat left of the cut as it were. But actually everyone's... If you ask them specifics, they want to increase public spending everywhere. Everyone thinks that the NHS is broken because it is.