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The What’s and the Why’s | Season 4, Episode 5

Pastors Podcast

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Relationship and Relationship Equity

"I'm afraid anytime as a leader, you say, look, this, I want to start off with something fast and you don't," Gray says. "Then the lights go on on these creatives ... They go, Oh, well, that makes sense to me." Pastor Jack Haver would tell young pastors: You cannot abdicate the role of being the worship pastor for your church. In other words, stay intentionally connected to it, influencing it, speaking into it.

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