
157 - How this materials science SAAS company brings PM+UX+data science together to help materials scientists accelerate R&D
Experiencing Data w/ Brian T. OâNeill (AI & data product management leadershipâpowered by UX design)
Revolutionizing Materials Science with SaaS
This chapter examines a SaaS platform that significantly enhances R&D efficiency for materials scientists by integrating machine learning and digital twins. It highlights the transformative effects on product development in industries like consumer goods and battery manufacturing, emphasizing the reduced time and resources required for experimentation. Additionally, it discusses the evolution of product design processes within a software company, showcasing the importance of user feedback and iterative development.
R&D for materials-based products can be expensive, because improving a productâs materials takes a lot of experimentation that historically has been slow to execute. In traditional labs, you might change one variable, re-run your experiment, and see if the data shows improvements in your desired attributes (e.g. strength, shininess, texture/feel, power retention, temperature, stability, etc.). However, today, there is a way to leverage machine learning and AI to reduce the number of experiments a material scientist needs to run to gain the improvements they seek. Materials scientists spend a lot of time in the labâaway from a computer screenâso how do you design a desirable informatics SAAS that actually works, and fits into the workflow of these end users?
As the Chief Product Officer at MaterialsZone, Ori Yudilevich came on Experiencing Data with me to talk about this challenge and how his PM, UX, and data science teams work together to produce a SAAS product that makes the benefits of materials informatics so valuable that materials scientists depend on their solution to be time and cost-efficient with their R&D efforts.
We covered:- (0:45) Explaining what Ori does at MaterialZone and who their product serves
- (2:28) How Ori and his team help make material science testing more efficient through their SAAS product
- (9:37) How they design a UX that can work across various scientific domains
- (14:08) How âdoing productâ at MaterialsZone matured over the past five years
- (17:01) Explaining the "Wizard of Oz" product development technique
- (21:09) The importance of integrating UX designers into the "Wizard of Oz"
- (23:52) The challenges MaterialZone faces when trying to get users to adopt to their product
- (32:42) Advice Ori would've given himself five years ago
- (33:53) Where you can find more from MaterialsZone and Ori
Quotes from Todayâs Episode
- âThe fascinating thing about materials science is that you have this variety of domains, but all of these things follow the same process. One of the problems [consumer goods companies] face is that they have to do lengthy testing of their products. This is something you can use machine learning to shorten. [Product research] is an iterative process that typically takes a long time. Using your data effectively and using machine learning to predict what can happen, whatâs better to try out, and what will reduce costs can accelerate time to market.â - Ori Yudilevich (3:47)
- âThe difference [in time spent testing a product] can be up to 70% [i.e. you can run 70% fewer experiments using ML.] That [also] means 70% less resources youâre using. Under the âold systemâ of trial and error, you were just trying out a lot of things. The human mind cannot process a large number of parameters at once, so [a materials scientist] would just start playing only with [one parameter at a time]. Youâll have many experiments where you just try to optimize [for] one parameter, but then you might have 20, 30, or 100 more [to test]. Using machine learning, you can change a lot of parameters at once. The model can learn what has the most effect, what has a positive effect, and what has a negative effect. The differences can be really huge.â - Ori Yudilevich (5:50)
- âOnce you go deeper into a use case, you see that there are a lot of differences. The types of raw materials, the data structure, the quantity of data, etc. For example, with batteries, you have lots of data because you can test hundreds all at once. Whereas with something like ceramics, you donât try so many [experiments]. You just canât. Itâs much slower. You canât do so many [experiments] in parallel. You have much less data. Your models are different, and your data structure is different. But thereâs also quite a lot of commonality because youâre storing the data. In the end, you have each domain, some raw materials, formulations, tests that youâre doing, and different statistical plots that are very common.â - Ori Yudilvech (11:24)
- âWeâll typically do what we call the âWizard of Ozâ technique. You simulate as if you have a feature, but youâre actually working for your client behind the scenes. You tell them [the simulated feature] is what youâre doing, but then measure [the clientâs response] to understand if thereâs any point in further developing that feature. Once you validate it, have enough data, and know where the feature is going, then youâll start designing it and releasing it in incremental stages. Weâve made a lot of progress in how we discover opportunities and how we build something iteratively to make sure that weâre always going in the right directionâ - Ori Yudilevich (15:56)
- âThe main problem weâre encountering is changing the mindset of users. Our users are not people who sit in front of a computer. These are researchers who work in [a materials science] lab. The challenge [we have] is getting people to use the platform more. To see itâs worth [their time] to look at some insights, and run the machine learning models. Weâre always looking for ways to make that transition faster⊠and I think the key is making [the user experience] just fun, easy, and intuitive.â - Ori Yudilevich (24:17)
- âEven if you make [the user experience] extremely smooth, if [users] donât see what they get out of it, theyâre still not going to [adopt your product] just for the sake of doing it. What we find is if this [product] can actually make them work faster or develop better productsâ that gets them interested. If youâre adopting these advanced tools, it makes you a better researcher and worker. People who [adopt those tools] grow faster. They become leaders in their team, and they slowly drag the others in.â - Ori Yudilevich (26:55)
- âSome of [MaterialsZoneâs] most valuable employees are the people who have been users. Our product manager is a materials scientist. Iâm not a material scientist, and itâs hard to imagine being that person in the lab. What I think is correct turns out to be completely wrong because I just donât know what itâs like. Having [material scientists] whoâve made the transition to software and data science? You canât replace that.â - Ori Yudilevich (31:32)
Links Referenced
Website: https://www.materials.zone
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oriyudilevich/
Email: ori@materials.zone