Justin and Jason discuss the TZ summit, the prospect of establishing a colony on Mars and what that process might look like, the prospect of an Ebola pandemic, betting on black swans and counterparty risk, why the TV show Lost was unable to close so many of it's story lines, the idea for a productivity app modeled after Lost's Swan computer, Justin's vintage terminal app and his new cardio solution, what motivates people to change themselves, whether Justin has any regrets about selling Pluggio, why Jason gets satisfaction from helping other people and why he's more excited about teaching the math class than any of his other projects, the fake legend of Walter O’Brien and Scorpion, the This American Life episode The Super, The Cracked Podcast, the upcoming content sites Nautilus, Quartz, Medium and Svbtle, productivity and anti-productivity habits, the apps Self Control, HabitRPG and EpicWin, an update on Operation Superhero, what happened to Jason's screenplay concept, the latest with the math class, why Jason put learning electrical engineering on pause and the progress being made by MVCC.

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