She survived the Rwandan Genocide. For three agonizing months, Immaculée Ilibagiza hid in a tiny bathroom with seven other women, knowing that at any moment, they could be discovered and killed.

When she finally emerged, she was met with unimaginable loss—her family and friends had all been brutally murdered. But in the face of such horror, Immaculée's faith remained unshaken. She found hope, clung to grace, and powerfully forgave those who took everything from her. Her story is both heartbreaking and inspiring, and I’m deeply honored to have this conversation with her. I hope it moves you as much as it did me.

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00:00:00 - Intro

00:01:46 - Immaculee’s Background

00:05:50 - Marian apparition

00:11:16 - CrowdHealth

00:12:15 - Franciscan University

00:13:17 - History of tribal hatred

00:17:36 - She only had a rosary

00:20:46 - Lost 50 pounds

00:24:02 - “What changed was my heart”

00:26:44 - They came to search, I knew my life was over

00:37:56 - Meditating on Jesus’ death

00:40:26 - A million people dead…

00:48:30 - Media fomenting hatred

00:58:23 - Patterns in the killers?

01:05:03 - Her first job afterwards

01:13:10 - Encounter with rosary

01:25:31 - American Media

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