In this episode, Nathan sits down with Alan Cowen, CEO and Chief Scientist at Hume AI, an emotional intelligence startup working on creating emotionally aware AI. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

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LINKS:

Hume: https://hume.ai/

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) - Episode Preview

(00:04:52) - How do you define happiness? How can AI make people happy?

(00:08:40) - The striking experience of trying the Hume demo

(00:09:16) - Building multimodal models using facial expressions, vocal signals, speech patterns

(00:12:27) - How Hume’s models have an advantage of LLMs when it comes to interpreting emotions

(00:13:23) - Assembling diverse datasets of emotional judgments via surveys

(00:15:27) - Sponsors: Shopify

(00:22:00) - Across populations, what is common or different in people’s judgement of facial expressions

(00:26:00) - Interrater reliability for training data

(00:30:48) - Sponsors: Omneky

(00:33:20) - The unique labelling of “awe” across different cultures

(00:36:23) - Customizing models for cultural emotional expression norms

(00:41:13) - How they determined the set of emotions recognized by the model

(00:42:50) - Schadenfreude as a unique example of semantic space research

(00:49:00) - Custom models

(00:52:42) - Using Hume in B2B contexts

(00:59:49) - The cost comparison of having a human analyze emotions vs AI

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