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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(05:10) Debating Richard Hanania

(11:21) On the executive branch in DC

(22:20) On the progressive movement

(37:19) Intellectuals running the government

(42:40) FDR—inaugural address and leadership style

(53:05) The dysfunction of Washington and creating a new government

(01:03:05) On the effectiveness of command-based organizations

(01:13:02) The legacy of FDR

(01:23:00) The Challenge of taking over institutions

(01:30:07) De-woke-ifying Harvard

(01:40:05) On the impunity of the elite

(01:47:54 Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

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